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#24 · (Edited)
I don't know why people are so defensive over this... Everything is 100% speculation at this point and does it not seem like a great power plant? There is no arguing the fact that Ford is committed to and proud of the Ecoboost. I didn't see them doing any publicized nation wide torture tests with the 6.2L. I think both power plants are great starting points and have potential to make some serious numbers. I can't wait to see what comes of it. I will say that turbos are a lot more fun to modify. Take for instance the 996's 3.6L 6cyl... Throw what is essentially turbos, injectors and some software on it (probably and exhaust also) and your at what appears to be 671hp and 672lb/ft on race gas. The crazy part is that even by 3k rpm its still making 500lb/ft. Not bad for a 3.6l V6...

If your interested in seeing dynos sheets...
http://www.eplabs.net/products/porsche/996tt/ams-k16-billet-hybrid-kit/

If it were up to me, I'd ditch the 6.2L in the Raptor and let SVT go crazy with a 3.5LTT. Over build the internals and crank the boost up, race it and slap it in the production truck. This would not only bring attention to the Raptor, it would also bring attention to anyone thinking about the non-svt version of the 3.5L. Then keep the 6.2L in the Harley, Platinum etc... The SVT trucks used to be a test bed for new engines. Lets get back to the old days and let svt have some fun!
 
#25 ·
turboale said:
I don't know why people are so defensive over this... Everything is 100% speculation at this point and does it not seem like a great power plant? There is no arguing the fact that Ford is committed to and proud of the Ecoboost. I didn't see them doing any publicized nation wide torture tests with the 6.2L. I think both power plants are great starting points and have potential to make some serious numbers. I can't wait to see what comes of it. I will say that turbos are a lot more fun to modify. Take for instance the 996's 3.6L 6cyl... Throw what is essentially turbos, injectors and some software on it (probably and exhaust also) and your at what appears to be 671hp and 672lb/ft on race gas. The crazy part is that even by 3k rpm its still making 500lb/ft. Not bad for a 3.6l V6...

If your interested in seeing dynos sheets...
http://www.eplabs.net/products/porsche/996tt/ams-k16-billet-hybrid-kit/

If it were up to me, I'd ditch the 6.2L in the Raptor and let SVT go crazy with a 3.5LTT. Over build the internals and crank the boost up, race it and slap it in the production truck. This would not only bring attention to the Raptor, it would also bring attention to anyone thinking about the non-svt version of the 3.5L. Then keep the 6.2L in the Harley, Platinum etc... The SVT trucks used to be a test bed for new engines. Lets get back to the old days and let svt have some fun!
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You are comparing eco-boost with 996 motor?
One is around $100K and one is under $10K.
I would say Ford is good for around 500HP, before it will need some motor work, not over 670 like 996...

Hell, I know of a Subaru pushing close to 1200HP, but it's over 6 figures.
For $50K that you pay for a Raptor, asking for over 500HP is just not in the budget.
 
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#27 ·
I guess I'm old school, probably been called a ******* once or twice as well. But I want my beastly looking truck to sound like a truck when I goose the gas. What the hell does the v6 sound like with aftermarket exhaust? However The numbers on the ecoboost are impressive and hard to ignore.
 
#28 ·
haha,
Not comparing the two... just pointing out that a well built turbo V6 can put up big numbers without a lot of work. Is Ford on the level of VAG? No... but that doesn't mean they couldn't be in the future. IMHO, American car companies have been cruising the last 20 years and its time for them to not spread themselves so thin (by buying... EVERYTHING) and focus on making a better product. So far I think Ford is doing a good job. Five years ago I don't think there was anything domestic I would have put my money down on that wasn't diesel. This year, I'm buying a gas truck and will probably buy another soon after if all goes to plan with the EB...
 
#29 ·
it's all in what you want. the LS variants have been out since 97 and are tough to beat, very decent mpg/hp stock and rediculous hp with decent mpg modified. anyone can say it's old tech, blah blah blah, but the numbers speak for themselves. If I had 20 grand to piss away I'd swap out my 6.2l for an LS7 with upgraded heads and cam. Can you say all aluminum, dead nuts reliable 650hp and as good or better mpg's than what we get now. So much for Ford's advanced tech.
 
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#30 ·
"I didn't see them doing any publicized nation wide torture tests with the 6.2L." Racing in the Score Baja 1000 and taking a third in class doesn't count?

"If it were up to me, I'd ditch the 6.2L in the Raptor and let SVT go crazy with a 3.5LTT. Over build the internals and crank the boost up, race it and slap it in the production truck." You forgot the bit about not covering it with a warranty.

Look, the Raptor was designed from the get-go for the 6.2L V8. The only reason it was introduced with the 5.4L was because the development schedules for the truck and engine got six months out of synch. As soon as the 6.2L was ready, they offered it as an option and quickly killed the 5.4L. In another thread somebody pointed out that SVT vehicles are only available with the one engine they're designed for. There is no good reason to suppose that this will no longer be the case.
 
#32 · (Edited)
6.2L naturally aspired engine is so old school--it can be manufactured 40 years ago.

If only 6.2L there, gimme 6.2L ecoboost.

Also, gimme DCT, no crappy AT.

Gimme lockable front differential.

Gimme full-time 4wd switch, not just part-time 4wd.

Gimme active torque split controller, not simply 50/50.

For an upscale SVT vehicle as Raptor, blue oval should focus on new tech in mechanical and electric-controlling systems, not just bigger dashboard, remote starter, telescopic wheel and such kind of fancy little tricks.
 
#33 ·
sphinx said:
6.2L naturally aspired engine is so old school--it can be manufactured 40 years ago.

If only 6.2L there, gimme 6.2L ecoboost.

Also, gimme DCT, no crappy AT.

Gimme lockable front differential.

Gimme full-time 4wd switch, not just part-time 4wd.

Gimme active torque split controller, not simply 50/50.

For an upscale SVT vehicle as Raptor, blue oval should focus on new tech in mechanical and electric-controlling systems, not just bigger dashboard, remote starter, telescopic wheel and such kind of fancy little tricks.
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Why?? I want to be in 2wd sometimes?
 
#35 · (Edited)
the ecoboost trucks that ran in Baja were modified f150's, not Raptors. Semantics, I know, but they weren't Raptors.

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Raptor R

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#36 ·
Well for me when gas gets to 5-8 a gallon 22mpg will be 4-5 mpg better than I get now and so it dont sound to bad to me at all!!! and since we will never ever see low fuel prices again I just might trade in my Raptor for one a year after they come out... or it might be a great change to do a engine swap into the Raptor since nothing looks as badass as a Raptor... Lots of decisions comming here in the near future...
 
#37 ·
Not sure if this source is reliable, but it does say so.

http://www.carenvy.ca/2010/09/2012-ford-focus-st-and-f-150-ecoboost-baja-1000-racer/

"First, the one that we can’t actually buy, is the F-150 EcoBoost SVT Raptor that will compete in the Baja 1000 desert endurance race starting November 10, 2010. The Raptor will use the exact same engine as the one available in the 2011 Ford F-150, which is a twin-turbo 3.5L V6 with 365 hp at 5,000 rpm and 420 lb-ft torque at 2,500 rpm. "

WarSurfer said:
the ecoboost trucks that ran in Baja were modified f150's, not Raptors. Semantics, I know, but they weren't Raptors.

ecoboost:

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Raptor R

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#38 ·
sphinx said:
Not sure if this source is reliable, but it does say so.

http://www.carenvy.ca/2010/09/2012-ford-focus-st-and-f-150-ecoboost-baja-1000-racer/

"First, the one that we can’t actually buy, is the F-150 EcoBoost SVT Raptor that will compete in the Baja 1000 desert endurance race starting November 10, 2010. The Raptor will use the exact same engine as the one available in the 2011 Ford F-150, which is a twin-turbo 3.5L V6 with 365 hp at 5,000 rpm and 420 lb-ft torque at 2,500 rpm. "
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It sure does say that.. I hope they know what they are talking about... I will be in the market for a new Raptor for sure
 
#39 ·
They are all race trucks but they made a point of using the Raptor grill, dark headlights, tail lights and marker lights on the Raptor R, those things are missing on the ecoboost rendition. Like I said, semantics since they are probably built exactly the same but the ecoboost baja trucks are only using the wide fenders...

Every place I've read about the ecoboost baja R&D effort they are listed as F150 race trucks, not ecoboost Raptors.

One is a reg cab, no Raptors come in reg cab... The other isn't sporting Raptor gear...

also... Ford calls it a race truck or an f150, not a raptor

http://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/exp...150/experiencef150/?intcmp=fv-fv-a1b02c03d000616e07f11g01h07j11k09m2n0p20101221

http://special-reports.pickuptrucks...ptrucks.com/2010/09/ford-f-150-ecoboost-baja-1000-race-truck-photo-gallery.html

in the above link you'll notice that it does not have an SVT gauge panel

soooo, either they started with a Raptor and threw out all the SVT stuff or... not a Raptor

The person you quoted thinks it's a Raptor because it's a Ford pre-runner. Kinda like how all tissue is Kleenex...
 
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#40 ·
After re-reading that article several times, I walk away with the following:

Ford is backing a NON-PRODUCTION Raptor R (that uses the F150 ecoboost) beginning late last year.

There will be no eco-raptor, as far as I can tell. And I'm putting my money where my mouth is by purchasing an 11screw. If I had ANY indication that an eco-Raptor would be out in 12, I'd hold off.
 
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