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That's crazy they came south and then turned around and came right back north to Canada! No wonder it is taking so long for folks to get their trucks.
 
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#125 ·
more useless info

Saw my dealer today in town and asked basically WTF? on the delivery and he said not all convoy trucks that Ford contracts with can deliver the Raptor and they are being "seeped out" from distribution node.....dealer is a good guy - says his mechanics are "pestering" him every day- small dealership and the mechanics haven't seen one, know its coming and are excited to look her over...
 
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mrpositraction said:
LOL, is that what your are building?



You are taking it to extremes. Yes, you can put smaller turbos to help eleviate the lag. If the turbos are sized right you shouldn't have much lag but that still doesn't change the nature of how a turbo works.

I DO KNOW that the power from a supercharger IMO is much more easily handled than turbo power. When I say Turbo power I mean the way it comes on, even with a smaller turbo it still ramps up from a bog.

You are right, you start trying to make double the original horsepower you will have lag. 98% of not doing that.

Another thing, everybody and their brother is putting turbos underneathe vehicles now, I don't care how tested it is I would never do that, especially on a truck like this.

Give me positive displacement anytime ver a turbo for a street driven vehicle. You want to be a track king/queen or dyno champion, the turbo can do it, and do it well. Or even pulling, a turbo can a perfect choice, the extra weight loads up the Turbo quicker and nature of pulling fits it well.

And don't get me wrong, I am not a turbo hater, I love the whistle of a Turbo. A close friend of mine has built a 1000+rwhp TransAm and it is a blast to be in. Just not daily drive :)

EDIT: And just to clarify I have never owned a 4cyl turbo. I have owened 3 positive displacment motors so I may be biased, but I chose them for a reason. And you commented on lag. Compared to a positive displacement blower on top of the motor, it would be laggy. :)
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I'm confused, you are changing your stance in the discussion. Seems you are making new excuses in your defense. You originaly said something about a turbo has its place, but on the street mud/off road low end is were its at..... All I was trying to prove was you would end up with plenty of low end torque. I didn't accuse you of owning a 4 cyl, but in my experience, people tend to associate turbos with little 4 cylinders that take awhile to spool, and have little amounts of low end power. I THOUGHT the problem you were stating with turbos was lack of low end power since you stated low end power is were its at and hence, turbos don't belong.:4-dontknow:

I went to extremes to cover my a$$ because I didn't know what kind hp was trying to be made.

I can't argue that a positive displacement supercharger doesn't make boost on command at lower rpm's, because it does. I would never bet a turbo would win a boost race against a positive displacement supercharger, so hope thats not how my post came off.

You are a supercharger guy, thats totally ok. I'm fine with your opinion about turbos as long as it's only an opinion and not stated like factual information. Not saying you meant it as a fact that turbos have no place on the street/mud/off road, but thats how it honestly came off to me.

To the rest of the changing discussion .

The supercharger sounds like it may be more controllable for you because it is making less overall power(?). I know turbos can kick like a freight train just slammed you in the a$$. I guess that is your (new) problem with them? Not that they don't make enough low end power, but because they kick to hard/fast/soon when they do make power?

Turbos are controllable via waste gate. With electronic boost controllers you can set how hard/fast or soft/slow you want to ramp the boost when its applied. You can also adjust max manifold boost pressure. It adjustable to suit the cars engine tune up, the suspension tune up and the street/track bite. Or adjustable if you want a wild drive to work in your Raptor or a mild one.

Everybody and there brother runs superchargers too:4-dontknow: Turbos don't always have to be packaged remotely or under the vehicle. Did I say hellion was going to package them remotely, nor do I know? No. That wasn't the original problem you had with turbos, was it?
 
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in case anybody forgot, they run Turbos on all those trophy trucks you see doing wheelies....jus sayin, if that isnt enough low end torque, then i dont know what is LOL

I read this argument all the time on the internet, they both have their advantages and disadvantages. you can get a lot more bang for your buck with a turbo as opposed with a supercharger. you can also keep your engine cooler with a turbo, as opposed with supercharger. Keeping your engine cooler out in 110 degree weather is a great feature.

now with a SC, you get instant low end tourque and they do see SC with intercoolers, they arent as effective as the intercoolers you see with turbos, but they do work, but just not as effective. I have seen guys build mustangs from the ground up, along with many other bad ass rides...they tell me the same shit all the time, the great debate between a SC or a Turbo...both are bad ass and have their place JMHO.
 
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some guy said:
I'm confused, you are changing your stance in the discussion. Seems you are making new excuses in your defense. You originaly said something about a turbo has its place, but on the street mud/off road low end is were its at..... All I was trying to prove was you would end up with plenty of low end torque. I didn't accuse you of owning a 4 cyl, but in my experience, people tend to associate turbos with little 4 cylinders that take awhile to spool, and have little amounts of low end power. I THOUGHT the problem you were stating with turbos was lack of low end power since you stated low end power is were its at and hence, turbos don't belong.:4-dontknow:

I went to extremes to cover my a$$ because I didn't know what kind hp was trying to be made.

I can't argue that a positive displacement supercharger doesn't make boost on command at lower rpm's, because it does. I would never bet a turbo would win a boost race against a positive displacement supercharger, so hope thats not how my post came off.

You are a supercharger guy, thats totally ok. I'm fine with your opinion about turbos as long as it's only an opinion and not stated like factual information. Not saying you meant it as a fact that turbos have no place on the street/mud/off road, but thats how it honestly came off to me.

To the rest of the changing discussion .

The supercharger sounds like it may be more controllable for you because it is making less overall power(?). I know turbos can kick like a freight train just slammed you in the a$$. I guess that is your (new) problem with them? Not that they don't make enough low end power, but because they kick to hard/fast/soon when they do make power?

Turbos are controllable via waste gate. With electronic boost controllers you can set how hard/fast or soft/slow you want to ramp the boost when its applied. You can also adjust max manifold boost pressure. It adjustable to suit the cars engine tune up, the suspension tune up and the street/track bite. Or adjustable if you want a wild drive to work in your Raptor or a mild one.

Everybody and there brother runs superchargers too:4-dontknow: Turbos don't always have to be packaged remotely or under the vehicle. Did I say hellion was going to package them remotely, nor do I know? No. That wasn't the original problem you had with turbos, was it?
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Is Hellion really going to make a kit for 6.2? You know how i would like to end this argument? If Hellion is making a kit id like to see a Hell Raiser kit for it. Then you would have both. Can anyone imagine a 6.2 Hell Raiser Raptor?
 
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some guy said:
I'm confused, you are changing your stance in the discussion. Seems you are making new excuses in your defense. You originaly said something about a turbo has its place, but on the street mud/off road low end is were its at..... All I was trying to prove was you would end up with plenty of low end torque. I didn't accuse you of owning a 4 cyl, but in my experience, people tend to associate turbos with little 4 cylinders that take awhile to spool, and have little amounts of low end power. I THOUGHT the problem you were stating with turbos was lack of low end power since you stated low end power is were its at and hence, turbos don't belong.:4-dontknow:

I went to extremes to cover my a$$ because I didn't know what kind hp was trying to be made.

I can't argue that a positive displacement supercharger doesn't make boost on command at lower rpm's, because it does. I would never bet a turbo would win a boost race against a positive displacement supercharger, so hope thats not how my post came off.

You are a supercharger guy, thats totally ok. I'm fine with your opinion about turbos as long as it's only an opinion and not stated like factual information. Not saying you meant it as a fact that turbos have no place on the street/mud/off road, but thats how it honestly came off to me.

To the rest of the changing discussion .

The supercharger sounds like it may be more controllable for you because it is making less overall power(?). I know turbos can kick like a freight train just slammed you in the a$$. I guess that is your (new) problem with them? Not that they don't make enough low end power, but because they kick to hard/fast/soon when they do make power?

Turbos are controllable via waste gate. With electronic boost controllers you can set how hard/fast or soft/slow you want to ramp the boost when its applied. You can also adjust max manifold boost pressure. It adjustable to suit the cars engine tune up, the suspension tune up and the street/track bite. Or adjustable if you want a wild drive to work in your Raptor or a mild one.

Everybody and there brother runs superchargers too:4-dontknow: Turbos don't always have to be packaged remotely or under the vehicle. Did I say hellion was going to package them remotely, nor do I know? No. That wasn't the original problem you had with turbos, was it?
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I am not going to spend a lot of time resonding to this cause in the end, I guess I really don't care.

My appearence of changing my stance was me trying to show that a turbo can work fine, but like I qualified my statements with IMO (In My Opinion), they are just that.

If Helion (or anyone for that matter) mad a kit that was located in the engine bay (not under the motor) I would consider at a reasonable price just becuase I have not personally done a turbo build before. (Started a 89 Fox Turbo build but sold to due lack of interest) The trend has been though, the price of the kits are EXPENSIVE compared to a supercharger (positive displacement, don't care for the centri's at all). For what MOST people are using them for, they would, IMO, be happier with a positive displacement blower. I am just taking from my experience of riding in all kinds of forced induction'd cars and saying that a positive displacement blower is the way to go on the street. With the larger S/C now, the bypass valves, etc, the parasitic loss during non-boost conditions is becoming comparable to that of Turbo.

I am not going to argue the turbo will make more power (lb for lb) becuase it will, my opinion was in the useable power and how it comes on.

Anywho, I am not going to muddy up this thread anymore than we have.

:kap:
 
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cobrafun50 said:
hey hardware, are you happy they hi-jacket your thread? hehehehe
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I bet he is having WAY to much fun driving his new truck around then to care about this thread.
I know I would be.

trolls56 said:
Is Hellion really going to make a kit for 6.2? You know how i would like to end this argument? If Hellion is making a kit id like to see a Hell Raiser kit for it. Then you would have both. Can anyone imagine a 6.2 Hell Raiser Raptor?
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I dunno if Hellion has any plans in making a kit for a 6.2l (or 5.4l) Raptor. But with a truck and engine like this, not sure how John could look the other way. Everyone needs a Hell Raiser Raptor lol.


mrpositraction said:
I am not going to spend a lot of time resonding to this cause in the end, I guess I really don't care.

My appearence of changing my stance was me trying to show that a turbo can work fine, but like I qualified my statements with IMO (In My Opinion), they are just that.

If Helion (or anyone for that matter) mad a kit that was located in the engine bay (not under the motor) I would consider at a reasonable price just becuase I have not personally done a turbo build before. (Started a 89 Fox Turbo build but sold to due lack of interest) The trend has been though, the price of the kits are EXPENSIVE compared to a supercharger (positive displacement, don't care for the centri's at all). For what MOST people are using them for, they would, IMO, be happier with a positive displacement blower. I am just taking from my experience of riding in all kinds of forced induction'd cars and saying that a positive displacement blower is the way to go on the street. With the larger S/C now, the bypass valves, etc, the parasitic loss during non-boost conditions is becoming comparable to that of Turbo.

I am not going to argue the turbo will make more power (lb for lb) becuase it will, my opinion was in the useable power and how it comes on.

Anywho, I am not going to muddy up this thread anymore than we have.

:kap:
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It's all expensive when done right. JDM's 5.4 Raptor supercharger kit is $6,900? Hennessey kit's $12,000 or whatever?? If the 6.2l supercharger kits follow the same trend, the turbo kits wont seem anymore expensive.
 
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